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Help me understand the play you have trump in a bad place, he made a big mistake with how he treated those kids on the border. he went from having high ground about law and order to low ground. back peddling, terrible situation there that we're tracking night by night. but then your party decides to play to advantage by saying, abolish ice. is that the right play? >> the president is still making the same mistake, there's over 2,000 kids that were ripped away from their parents and have not been reunited. in terms of ice, i believe three things need to happen. first, homeland security secretar...

Is that the right play? >> the president is still making the same mistake, there's over 2,000 kids that were ripped away from their parents and have not been reunited. in terms of ice, i believe three things need to happen. first, homeland security secretary needs to resign. the ice director needs to complaining the culture of ice. congress needs to change the policies of ice. >> you don't think that position puts you right in the crosshairs of trump saying, you are about no borders and letting in anybody? >> well, ice is not customs and border control, ice is not down there at the brder. that...