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Be put towards something that we actually need, and perhaps the president would know that if he bothered to communicate with the mayors in these cities. >> at this point, do you think i.c.e. is -- i mean, you talked about you just -- you basically decoupled any relationship between i.c.e. and local officials in atlanta. is i.c.e. salvageable as a working partner with the federal government? or do you think it needs to be either abolished or massively reformed? >> i think it needs to be massively reformed. we ended our relationship with i.c.e. because we were concerned that atlanta would be com...