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Autocrats, trying to stay in power no matter what, god forbid you'd have to go to that private sector they're so fond of, they've succeeded where our enemies have failed and that you're right, there's a great swath of people. why? it kind of makes sense, i think. it strikes you that, boy, this is a big, complicated thing having these voters checked and their i.d.s checked and to make sure that everything is done just right, and we don't have a lot of confidence in government in general oftentimes for good reason so it makes sense that yeah, it's probably not working right. >> and the reality i...

Go for a certain distance to try to get this when they have other valid forms of i.d.? well, no. do you think it's important that people who have respect for the law and for government and have certain issued i.d.s but not others, that they should be somehow disqualified? then, the answer is no. so it depends on how the polls ask the questions. and let's admit at the end of the day, when martin luther king, jr., was fighting for civil rights in this country, the polls began to catch up to where the conscience of the nation was. polls don't always determine what we should do. they register our ...

Couldn't use your public assistance i.d. or you couldn't use your state employee i.d. which are disproportionately held by black people. in wisconsin, until recently, well -- well now, they accept military, you know, live, enrolled, active military i.d. but not the veteran's i.d. so the impact on black and brown people, then when you add in the fact that it takes a lot of money to get underlying documents. the reason a lot of black folks don't have state-issued i.d.s, 25% of black folks don't have government i.d.s compared to onl only 8% of white people. them trying to get them as a black or b...

I.d. doesn't work. i mean, you know, or an ebt card, public assistance. you know who has public assistance cards? poor people. >> white and black. >> white and black. and i think you have to look, as you said, into the intent. and you have to do your research because people say that all the time. why should you have to show an i.d.? and i say do your research and -- and figure out what kinds of people don't historically have i.d.s or who -- um -- who tend to have -- who tend not to have i.d.s as to the rest of the population. and so, you have got to look at all of those things and not just at ...

A couple of months ago, stacey abrams came out on the show and said, you know, there are certain voter i.d. laws she supports and people, their heads elf exploded and said what, what. explain this to us so people can understand. >> what voter i.d. laws -- where is the line? >> this is a great question. i think folks get a little confused about it. my point to the senator was that all voter i.d. laws are not the same. texas has one of the most restrictive voter i.d. laws in the country and it harms communities of color. voter i.d. laws do not have to be that restrictive. texas seaccepts a limit...