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Tea party guy, he was able to sort of not let the democrats run up the score, and i don't think those people were necessarily voting on obama. >> you know, steve kornacki, i'm having to go back, i'm going to do a google search quickly on kentucky results. i thought this was a state that was purple. didn't bill clinton win it? >> this is the interesting warning interesting implications as you look ahead to 2016, hillary clinton leading the democratic ticket there. some democrats optimistic democrats who look back at the tur of that bill clinton was able to win also the states where hillary clin...

Other areas, how do you call them into service with the idea being, you don't have to do this for the rest of your life. that's what schock shows. not anything about millennials but about the unique ability to get really famous as a politician doing nothing. >> so it's about the kind of people who are currently attracted to politics. >> good abs are in the going to cut it. >> you find awesome people but getting them into aweoffice is tricky. let's say abby wanted to run for congress. what would you tell her to make her the best possible candidate? how would you coach her up? >> i'm listening v...

To sort of underscore this part of the conversation that is -- that talks about, you know, what we call entitlement programs but the programs we pay for out of our paychecks, social security, medicare, medicaid. the idea being, you know, you're not in this alone. we are helping one another. that was part of the american story, the american values. and yet, part of this mythology is that somehow everything got screwed up for black folk once, you know, they got just, you know, addicted to these programs. >> right. once they could actually partake in the american process and once they could parta...

>> i read your article when it first came out. in outside magazine. the physical conditioning of these firefighters, their training, it is incredible tear veng and the positi-- their str and the positions that they willingly put themselves in. >> yeah, it's -- i mean, the physical fitness is a matter of safety. they put these hotshot crews, they strive to make these guys in as good a shape as possible. the idea being, hopefully you'll be able to outrun a fire in the event that something happens. and physical fitness is sort of your first line of defense. >> what kind of firefighting tactics wa...

Willingly put themselves in? >> yeah, it's -- i mean, the physical fitness is a matter of safety. they put these hotshot crews, they strive to make these guys in as good a shape as possible. the idea being, hopefully you'll be able to outrun a fire in the event that something happens. and physical fitness is sort of your first line of defense. >> what kind of firefighting tactics was this crew likely attempting when the situation got out of control? >> yeah, i don't -- i'm not entirely sure, my guess is that what they were doing would be called building direct lines. in a case like this, they ...