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>> thu the whole improbable unexpected roaring rise to power, the man whispering in donald trump's ear was steve bannon. a true believer at the ultraright wing breitbart.com when few were. >> they were laughing at me when i was saying hey, this guy trump is going to be, this is going to be very serious, it's good to see that you're in the heat of combat now. >> i remember that you looked and you said, boy, those are big crowds you're getting. >> more than a cheerleader, bannon was the campaign's idealogue. pushing explosive and persistent themes, some of which he had crafted over years. on ter...

President trump figures out things quickly. he's got a rock-solid republican conservative base. i would encourage him and i've writ bn this, to go more to the center. to grab -- i think his success comes from his popularity. his popularity will come from legislative reforms. tax cuts, infrastructure. i think he can do big bills in education. we have a student loan crisis, $1.4 trillion. nobody is talking about it, except the 20 million kids that can't pay their loans every month. and the families struggling. this is the guy that can do it. he's a unifier, my experience with him over many years...

The repacks i've read in the media about syria is true, it seems to me what we're doing is essentially sub ordinary naigt ourselves to the russians as a sustained had, assad, which has been their position all along. and i think what that does in the long run is really marginalize whatever leverage we had in influencing developments there. >> when an american, or any other power lays down before putin, what is putin's reaction to that? how does he do with that acceptance? >> necessary my view, not a throw back of the soviet era but to the czar era. he is not really an idealogue. i think he has ...

Given what is going on. >> jesse: he came into office assuming he'd have a good relationship with cig chuck. the relationship deteriorated once crying chuck stand him in the back once they had the meeting. doesn't surprise me that crying chuck is acting like this. they're defending so many seats in the midterms. they're in deep, deep trouble in the midterms. 10 of the states they have to defend are trump states. politically, right now there's not a lot of reason for the democrats in the senate to go along with the president, but if -- you can work with any president if this presiden president ...

Idealogue. as he said in an introspective way in the rose garden last week, he was elected because he likes to get involved and try to get things done and because he is flexible. that is what he is showing on all of these issues. now, for mere mortal politicians it would be a flip-flop and game over, but so far it hasn't been for donald trump. we'll see. >> and if you voted for him and if you like him, you prize that unorthodoxness, that flexibility, as he puts it. if you don't, you think this is someone who is just careening from event to event. but every politician is somewhat divisive in th...