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Here? we need straight talk from people in government. stop using politics. i consider myself a logical person. this plan does not make logical sense. i am not on idealogue. i think most of the people who came up with the plan are ideologues. they say survival of the fittest. if you have money you can have access to health care, if you don't, you're out of luck. >> do you see this health care plan as the ryan plan or the trump plan? >> there is no question that paul ryan has been a much more outspoken voice when it comes to health care reform. he is very wonky when it comes to that. i don't th...

And also to give the child every chance of life. they don't go inside of her and dismember her child. >> you think a woman should face the risk of death in order to give birth? >> i'm not saying that. we can give her and her child the best chance at life. medical technology is astounding. one of my interns last year survived being born 21 weeks in utero. there's no chance where a woman is going to say we have to abort this child. you deliver the child and you give the child every chance, all the medical resuscitation, and you treat that child. and maybe that child won't survive because our tec...

Be shaped in the next administration, but also about probably running the white house efficiently. i'm comfortable with donald trump taking that advice. >> i have always said i don't think he's an idealogue. he doesn't stick to rigid dogma and world view. i'm not that surprised he's open to talking to other people. with barack obama maybe it's shocking to some people because of the rhetoric that was used about obama but we have seen a lot of people on both sides whoey a lot of rhetoric, they sort of set to the side now that the election's over. >> look no further than barack obama himself towa...

Secretary of homeland security. what do you think about him? what can you tell our viewers? >> both mattis and kelly are incredibly qualified. i saw john kelly up close in miami. this is a tested, proven leader with energy, has served this country, has sacrificed for this country his entire life, lost a son in iraq, is a true marine. he is experienced, he's a leader. he's exactly what you want in charge of dhs. ky tell you, i feel safer knowing that john kelly is the guy that's going to be hiding our homeland security. he's incredibly qualified. he's not political. he's not an idealogue. he's ...

Loyalist style would be when it comes to that kind of thing. so i think perhaps that's what he's thinking. but he's a guy who is unpredictable, who is not idealogical, who doesn't have a record in government, and he makes these decisions i think a bit on the fly as he's having to throughout transition, and can be swayed often by a close associate who has a different opinion, as you saw with mattis on the waterboarding issue. >> kirsten, based on what we have seen with these picks and based on what you saw with that hour-long sit down with the "new york times," what do you make of that? what do...