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As self-destructive. >> barack obama is a pure leftist idealogue. >> this is a man who sacrifices little ideologically as possible. >> idealogue he wouldn't have compromised on health care and a whole bunch of other things compromised on. gitmo down the list. i think the fact that axelrod said this is conciliatory. one of the reasons they didn't d. not axelrod looked at the numbers. 77% of catholic women for example favor this and in fact many of them use, 9 a% of them. >> bill: that's a personal choice not imposition. >> politically we are not going to have a problem. you asked a question wha...

>> bill: this is a fascinating discussion. so now eastwood, who i think tried to do a good thing, all right? would you both cede he tried to do a good thing? he is trying to get americans saying we are coming back. we're going to rally around. we have got bad times. we will work our way out of it like we have always done. this guy is getting hammered as an idealogue he is caught in the political wars. so, you know, that's why people are cautious doing any of this stuff. i don't think that's fair to eastwood. >> i'm sure his pr people are saying you are going to have to answer tough questions w...

>> bill: this is a fascinating discussion. so now eastwood, who i think tried to do a good thing, all right? would you both cede he tried to do a good thing? he is trying to get americans saying we are coming back. we're going to rally around. we have got bad times. we will work our way out of it like we have always done. this guy is getting hammered as an idealogue he is caught in the political wars. so, you know, that's why people are cautious doing any of this stuff. i don't think that's fair to eastwood. >> i'm sure his pr people are saying you are going to have to answer tough questions w...

Yeah. bill, you are known once in a while overstate things. >> bill: i will accept that. >> by the way, i tell you one thing? first time i have seen somebody in our network who has been nice enough to give obama that he has not now -- >> bill: he is not. >> i give you credit for that. >> bill: is he a committed idealogue. and who disguised himself as a populist last time around. because, look, the facts are the facts. the debt, you know, expand of 16 trillion pretty soon is the nation's biggest problem and he just won't grapple with it. he just won't. >> you argue -- i mean, i would argue long...

And some of the comments she heard last night rick santorum seems to be most like us. he might be a catholic, we are evangelical. he connects with us and he seems authentic and he seems very serious. yet very approachable at the same time. this is with 40% undecided as brit said, it's imperil columbus to predict. i would have to say romney. >> bill: i wonder how many of the caucus voters are interested who could beat president obama. that becomes mitt romney's primary motivator. it isn't mitt romney the idealogue because he isn't one. is he a businessman/politician. rick santorum is an ideolog...