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Trump. but in the upcoming cnn debate sanders will share the stage with progressive rival elizabeth warren. so do they really need to start to turn attention on one another to -- potentially they're going to avoid splitting votes here in the primaries. >> i actually think that pairing is one of the most interesting ones that you have for this cnn debate. >> i agree. >> because really four years ago, senator sanders was the ideas candidate. he was the champion of progressive ideas. at this point he is sort of losing that mantle to elizabeth warren. i think at this point she has overtaken that a...

Clear second place person. and then everybody else sort of packed together below biden and bernie sanders. recently we've seen a couple of polls including the national poll and iowa and nevada poll just out today that shows elizabeth warren standing in that second place spot alongside bernie sanders. obviously we don't know the many reasons why she is having this sort of upswing moment right now. her allies would certainly say this is probably because she is big on being sort of the policy and the ideas candidate and they feel like it is catching on. i just do want to emphasize this big caveat...