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Form of identity. >> compared to dna? they're never going to be -- they are a technique, they're not even a science, jeff. it is done by nonscientists and it is a nonscience. sit a technique. >> the idea that fingerprints are somehow not good identification techniques is frankly absurd. but the point is -- >> really? jeff, why don't you site the case of the lawyer in oregon who was indicted as a terrorist based on the fbi's fingerprint analysis. >> yeah, mark. and you site the tens of thousands of people who are in prison because of finger prints. >> only because they didn't have an expert. >>...

Not even a science, jeff. it is done by nonscientists and it is a nonscience. it a technique. >> the idea that fingerprints are somehow not good identification techniques is frankly absurd. but the point is -- >> really? jeff, why don't you site the case of the lawyer in oregon who was indicted as a terrorist based on the fbi's fingerprint analysis. >> yeah, mark. and you site the tens of thousands of people who are in prison because of finger prints. >> only because they didn't have an expert. >> let me finish. what i'm trying to say is,

They're never going to be -- they are a technique, they're not even a science, jeff. it is done by nonscientists and it is a nonscience. it a technique. >> i'm familiar with what -- i mean, the idea that fingerprints are somehow not good identification techniques, frankly, absurd. but the point is -- >> really? jeff, why don't you cite the case of the lawyer in oregon who was indicted as a terrorist based on the fbi's fingerprint analysis? >> yeah, mark. and you cite the tens of thousands of people who are in prison because of finger prints. >> only because they didn't have an expert. >> let m...

Identification techniques that were going to maximize the chances of error in that case and we now know and the new jersey supreme court has just decided a landmark decision on this, henderson, that recognizes this 30 years of social science, he no ways that if you administer eye witness identification methods, you dramatically reduce the number of errors without reducing correct identification. simple things like first of all, you might be shocked, but a key to science, the person who administers the photo array of the line-up should be blinded. should not know the identity of the suspect. we...