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Not himself a democrat. he has established closer relations with iran than he has with the united states. so that the whole idea that we're there in order to build a democracy simply has never panned out. the media has no interest in this story at the moment because the media itself in this country is in trouble. it's short of money, it's overloaded with technology, and at the moment unless americans are dying, the media simply doesn't cover the story, and that's a shame. jon: the media, marvin, had a lot of interest in the runup to the war. what happened? >> yes. well, it had a great deal of ...

Chicago, that would be a tough of game at the bulls, and then san antonio's going to be very, very difficult. and the interesting thing about playing at san antonio, they have the best record right now in the western conference, miami in the eastern conference. but back on november 29th you might recall i was in the studio with you because gregg popovich, the coach of the san antonio spurs, sat four of his starters, doesn't have them play against miami, and he was fined $250,000, jenna. so now that's going to be a huge game. jenna: that was the whole thing, he decided he's going to bench his p...

A lot of speeches being given --? that's right. jon: he addressed the notion of that this contests of a form of amnesty which is anathema to a lot of people. listen to this. >> conservatives, myself included, are wary of amnesty. in fact, if you read the news already, i think i'm already being accused of it, and i haven't even given my speech yet. [laughter] it's kind of who wants to make up the definition. but what i'd say -- i'd say what we have now is de facto amnesty. jon: yeah, the fact is ronald reagan signed the legislation in the mid '80s that was going to fix the immigration problem o...

Preparations are underway to withdraw by the end of next year. but figuring out what to do after that isn't easy. by the way, there's a lot of time between now and then. a top u.s. military chief in afghanistan now says his team's working as fast as possible to resolve some of the issues that have emerged between the united states and the country's president, hamid karzai. michael hanlon's a senior fellow at the brookings institution, and you literally just got back from afghanistan, michael. it's great to have you back on the program. >> thanks, jenna. nice to be with you. jenna: your tension...

>> well, there were a lot of people who never believed that in the first place. detractors and fans alike can agree she's a very driven, hard working person who does not sort of relax very much. and, but, you know, the idea that somehow -- i guess my point is i think it's a very difficult thing to see how this is a great move for her politically because one of the reasons why she has been so popular, why her poll numbers are so high and have been so high is precisely because she has not been involved in politics and hasn't seemed like a politician. as a secretary of state, she hasn't had to ge...