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Who are currently here illegally. then it would proceed to border security, and then after the border was verified secure, to a path to citizenship. a lot of conservatives have objected to that immediate legalization. they said that's the whole ball game right there. so rand paul would say first step, border security. and then when that's verified not just by the obama administration, but by congress itself, then you move on to legalization and a path to citizenship. jon: rand paul one of the more conservative members in the senate. he addressed the questions that conservatives have about this...

Onback on the record first of all, for the republican party to have a prayer in the future, and do conservatives have to get onboard for immigration reform to go anywhere? >> well, there's a huge debate about that question, and a hot of conservatives -- a lot of conservatives are saying, look, the argument that hispanic voters would be naturally republicans, is just not true. certainly, they voted 70% for president obama in this last election. so there's a big debate going on inside the republican party. there are a lot of lawmakers, i will say, on capitol hill, republicans who say, well, we'v...

Out there? >> reporter: well, this goes to rand paul's type of politics. he is not in favor of something that the gang of eight, the bipartisan solution that rubio supports, they will expand the e-verification system. in order to curb the hiring of undocumented workers, of illegal aliens. paul opposes those ideas and believes it turns business people effectively into immigration cops. so he does away with the e-verify system and the requirement for ids which, frankly, a lot of civil libertarians really appreciate because the idea of a national id card has a big brother feel to some of those, a...

Wins, 440 losses. so they should breeze through those other teams. jenna: knock on wood. it jinxes -- and, you know, superstition means a lot in sports too. i have to ask you a quick final question about this, jim, i'm holding up "the new york post," tiger woods and lindsey von announcing their romance. i should add, i mean, jim, sports world reaction to this? what is it? >> well, i think it's interesting. she's the best skier to ever come out of the united states for a woman, and he is going to be the number one golfer again, and in many circles he's considered to be the best golfer in the hi...

Casualties, and while that's not by itself a proof of anything per se, the anecdotes that i heard in the field were that, yes, the afghan army really does fight. in fact, i heard a few people say these are a lot better than iraqis. they fight a lot harder than iraqis, and we like working with them x. the more we want to give them responsibility, the more they relish it and take it on. so that kind of story was actually more encouraging on this trip of mine, my tenth, than i'd ever heard before. and that is the big, positive takeaway from the trip. jenna: what about pakistan? when we talk about...