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Impeachment podcast. it would be a terrible idea for him. the subpoenas that were sent out show that the federal government is looking at charges of potential money laundering and conspiracy to defraud the united states and obstruction of justice. i think ultimately if and when he is charged, it will be for the low-hanging fruit of violations of the foreign agent registration act and campaign finance crimes like his associates lev and igor who i think will ultimately testify against him. and the first one that gets to the u.s. attorney's office is going to get the best deal. >> there you go. l...

Scrutiny has continued to do the things that got him in trouble in the first place. where have you seen that kind of behavior before and is it common in these investigations or these cases? >> yeah, it is common. rudy giuliani is definitely flying too close to the sun here. i mean, you've got a situation where lev and igor have convinced him that there are serious conspiracies going on and are ready to flip on him. it shouldn't be a surprise. because, remember, lev and igor seem to be a flight risk and they got pretrial release and bond. why is that? because the prosecutors seem to think that ...

Very long time. this is one of the most professional scholarly russia analysts there is. by the way, she's described often in the u.s. news cycle as a kremlin hawk. not exactly. very nuanced in her appraisal. her biography, which is one of the more insightful biographies of vladimir putin, very cleverly it's almost a post-modern analysis. she takes different archetypes of who putin and is studies them. she takes them in isolation and then creates a composite. not just the kgb case officer but the capitalists and statist and so on. this is not someone who gets ahead of her skis with allegations...

Conspiracy, it's nonsense. it's nonsense on stilts. i've known fiona hill for several years. i've followed her work for a very long time. this is one of the most professional scholarly russia analysts there is. by the way, she's described often in the u.s. news cycle as a kremlin hawk. not exactly. very nuanced in her appraisal. her biography, which is one of the more insightful biographies of vladimir putin, very cleverly it's almost a post-modern analysis. she takes different ark types of who putin and is studies them. not just the kgb case officer but the capitalists and statist and so on. ...

Are off. you could go as high as firsthand information that levs and l igor have. it could also be a fizzle. they could be terrible witnesses, they could not be in fact truly cooperating. we just don't know yet. >> but i'm not asking how an investigation would end. i'm justig asking what an investigation could encompass. if it encompasses the decided associates of giuliani and we know iasdny is investigating ru, i guess what i'm asking is, as with the michael cohen case, where donald trump was an unindicted co-conspirator, could the president be ensnared again by federal investigation? >> abso...