we think that this is real, that the united states is believing there is a potential to happen, it kind of inoculate, in a sense, the and i think maybe even decreases the potential for war. because it puts the russians on the back foot, forcing them to deny, repeatedly, that they are preparing for any kind of war. that means that if they do indeed go in it is going to be clear to everyone that they have been lying for weeks. and i think that it put some strategically in a bad position after this would take place. all right, simon ostrovsky, always a pleasure, thank you very much. nice to be with you chris. coming up, the white house he s lobbying against, i ll explain after this. he s lobbying against, i l he s lobbying against, i l explai