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Change we are seeing. even bigger issue the independent vote. clearly, this was the vote that put president obama in office. while they make up the same amount of the electorate they were likely to back they are more likely to back the republican candidate by 15 points. in 2008, independents went for the democrat in their district by more than eight points one of the huge swings we are seeing still pouring you over all these numbers. we are learning a lot about the meaning and significance of this election tonight. we ll be back with more. bret: let s bring in our panel, karl rove, juan williams. joe trippi and brit hume. karl, where are we on the races too close to call? looks like in my pennsylvania pen and illinois the senate races will end up in the republican column. pennsylvania, philadelphia is ....