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Years ago. bar door high ranking official for the government what does it mean for the rank and file like you? >> it's dispiriting, i'm talking to folks who are in the building recently left. everybody is absolutely outraged at what has happened. per the universal belief that we should have gotten out. the question is how, of course, i think lots of smart people are saying that over and over and over again. but for people who signed up to serve their nation, they are not looking at their commander-in-chief as a national disgrace, as a national nightmare. i mean, we went to afghanistan as a cia...

Harmed. you will go and crush them. you will put real costs on them. this is the model that the trump administration had adopted and each time we did that, each time we did that, we got a tactical response from the taliban that respected the united states of america because they understood that there were things that they would not be permitted to do, most importantly harming americans. remember this, maria from the time we began peace and reconciliation and conversations, from the time we signed the deal in february 2020, not a single american was attacked by the taliban in a serious way and ...

Been there to begin with, but what i can say with absolute authority is we have a moral obligation, not only to rescue our citizens, yes, but also to do everything we can to protect these afghan christians. look, i know that america can't do everything in the world, but we can do some things, and protecting the small group of believers is a basic value of america, and it's something we need and should do. >> shannon: well, and derrick, i'm talking with military folks on the ground who are desperately trying to get people out. they say they are aware of arrangements and in contact with people t...

Their eyes and their hearts in afghanistan. they are working -- it's very, very personal for me that i have been injured, deadly severe. i have been -- i have lost -- i have lost american women and men in uniform, and this is a disrespect for me, my service, for thousands and thousands of american soldiers that have lost their loved ones, that they lost their bloods. it's a shame. i and alongside me all my military families are taking this very, very personally. it's very painful. i'm talking -- the pain is not in my chest, it's in my head. it's messing with my head.

Battlefield in wartime. you can't fight the current battle but you need to know where you are going with the enemy. >> that's what i'm talking about. you have to be able to focus on the current fight going on but at the same time say what is tomorrow going to bring and the next day >> harris: biden doesn't vit. >> it doesn't. honestly, this is one of those i hate to say it. secretary gates had it right when he said joe biden has been wrong on nearly every national security decision in the last four decades. remember, you had president obama make a comment don't underestimate joe biden's abilit...