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The presidency. you have a possibility of upsetting the entire d.c. power and social structure that exists. they are outsiders them are considered outsiders. they are not considered genuine political professionals, by definition, tea party people aren't. they are people in many cases that have never been involved in politics. they started going to town hall meetings a couple of sum more hers ago and have come to life because they don't -- they don't like the way the country is going. they don't see their wishes defended or represented in washington so they are taking maries in their own hands ...

The presidency. you have a possibility of upsetting the entire d.c. power and social structure that exists. they are outsiders them are considered outsiders. they are not considered genuine political professionals, by definition, tea party people aren't. they are people in many cases that have never been involved in politics. they started going to town hall meetings a couple of sum more hers ago and have come to life because they don't -- they don't like the way the country is going. they don't see their wishes defended or represented in washington so they are taking maries in their own hands ...

And that includes half of democratic voters. so i think this is a real message problem for the white house. therefore to tell the american public how terrible it would be for the united states internationally if we did not raise the debt ceiling. so they've got a lot of talking to do to voters out there. >> that's interesting that you say that. interesting message. gloria borger, thank you. >> sure. as we're talking about the president, let's get this straight. president obama said that america will play a more minor role in libya. and today john mccain is in benghazi. how deep is the u.s. i...

Donors picking up the tab. it's a terrific lead into it. but, of course, the real problem is, we are in a country where the citizens don't want to make any kind of sack figsacrifices. >> that is for sure. >> they don't want to pay taxes. they don't want to send their children into the military. it's across the board. it's a cultural problem that goes way beyond taxes. >> i totally agree with you. i think it may be a message problem as republicans look to break through and have a positive message that actually sticks with the nation. sam stein, is that the challenge? >> national service, we nee...

A possibility. it's one of the main reasons the economy has gone from shrinking 6% to growing at 6%. >> it's interesting when you see that poll and other information out that many americans tie the stimulus in with the bailout of the banks. they are still a year later trying to understand what the point of the stimulus bill was for them in their daily life. >> this just really puts a fine point on the message problem that the white house has had with the stimulus. they passed this bill to much fanfare. most folks not only realize it hasn't created jobs but don't realize they got a tax cut out ...