My client did not believe he could pay the $5,000 fine. so he went to trial. we produced our evidence. we produced the toy gun that is clearly fake. it has an orange cap and small size, it comes to 99 cents with a gun, handcuff and badge. it does not look real, it looks like a toy. after hearing the evidence the hearing examiner imposed a $30,000 fine. we appealed the $30,000 fine and after the appeal they reimposed a $30,000 fine. it's only amount of time that city comes shuts the doors and puts all the employees on the street. >> john: and the city says, when they are asked about this, reali...