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Clear. remember, the 14th amendment was one of the three constitutional amendments that were ratified immediately following the civil war in the 19th century. i think we can all agree that at the time of the years after the civil war which ended slavery, i don't think, you know, concerns about illegal immigration from latin america and what happens to their children was really being discussed. >> although they tested it -- they tested it -- hold on. we have to go and let's do it this way. first of all, mark, you had a tough go tonight because the president put you in a box. whether he should d...

And what happens to their children was really being discussed. >> although they tested it -- they tested it -- hold on. we have to go and let's do it this way. first of all, mark, you had a tough go tonight because the president put you in a box. the idea of whether or not he should do it is a much more fertile, legal and political discussion really. we'll have that one with you as well. but it was tested in an immigrant context. that was the case about chinese immigration and the supreme court ruled very clearly in a single line, if you're born here, it triggers the protections of the 14th am...