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Does he need evidence why they are afraid? you should look at his people in his own office. >> president trump said he would love to see a shutdown if immigration problems are not solved. his press secretary sarah sanders later explained that the white house won when democrat shut down the white, government over daca last night. it's not something that the president is pushing for. >> shannon: we know in a couple of days. i guess he will stay on it. another wild day on wall street after plunging, the market eventually recovered ending the day with a 557-point gain. that recouped about half of ...

Trump supporters. >> this is about fixing the immigration problems across the board. jesse: when does phasing out the chain migration? >> it will take several years. jesse: what's the year? >> i think it will be up to negotiation. some details will get fleshed out. but several years from now family members can't sponsor their cousins or uncles. you can only sponsor your immediate family and the rest of the immigration system will be based on skills. jesse: that's what everybody in this country supports and the polls show that. >> the way this will work. there is a backlog in the immigration sy...

Where is immigration reform for the american people? >> i think two things need to happen. there's a deal to be done in here. years ago we saw the senate pass immigration reform. the democrats need to rel lies they don't the house and senate and oval office. they are not getting everything they want. the republicans need to realize two things, number one, you better fix dacahe ment news cameras showing young people rking in law firms getting sent to countries they don't remember, they have a huge problem, not to mention humanitarian aspect. and the wall, there's a reason we have not heard unti...

Of that as part of a larger deal. he does want the d.r.e.a.m.er population, the daca population, to stay in the united states if it can be part of a responsible solution that provides long-term solutions to our immigration problems. >> and if it is part of a long-term solution, the deals with the other three issues including border security and the other issues you've raised, will the president support ooer eventually a pathway to citizenship for the d.r.e.a.m.ers. >> that would be part of the negotiation but certainly we're open to it as the white house. those other pieces must be addressed a...

>> at a time when the d.r.e.a.m.ers feel voiceless, schumer is the good guy here. he has become their voice. we have to see what happens in three weeks. and if we get there again, maybe mcconnell's betting that the democrats don't have the resolve to shut down the government again. >> yeah, i think that's one through-line we maybe have some consensus on among the different views on the panel. it may not be who has the hottest take immediately, i don't know that it's knowable. coming up, a white house aide that even some republicans are turning on for these immigration problems. steven miller, ...