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Legitimate that i find fault with, and that is that it's very clear in this memo that they said that we ought to find other ways of finding paths to legalization through the administrative process. and there's a lot of things in -- of doing this, and there's a lot of legitimacy for finding ways on a case by case basis for legalization. but not the massive amount that this memo would imply that they're trying to accomplish. jenna:jenna: i read the memo through and through, i don't see the massive amounts that necessarily have been reported in the press, but picking up on the issue that you're s...

Done? >> the obama administration has never had an interest in really enforcing immigration laws and really reducing illegal immigration. i don't know if they're worried about offending people, i don't know if there is a political calculation here that has to be who votes for who, but -- >> bill: do you think the last administration had that desire? >> well, they certainly did a lot better job than the current administration. the last year of the bush administration, they did enforce work site enforcement, they did enforce the laws saying you couldn't hire somebody in the country illegally. un...