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stephen cave, welcome to hardtalk. thank you for having me. it's a great pleasure. you believe that our human awareness of our own mortality is absolutely central to the human story. why? well, all creatures strive to live on, to keep going. they wouldn't be around us any more if they didn't. the mouse that didn't care about surviving wouldn't pass on its genes. so we come from a long line of creatures that are determined to keep going. but we have these big brains, that's part of our survival mechanism, if you like, that allow us to see the future, to generalise. and we're conscious...

of our own mortality is absolutely central to the human story. why? well, all creatures strive to live on, to keep going. they wouldn't be around us any more if they didn't. the mouse that didn't care about surviving wouldn't pass on its genes. so we come from a long line of creatures that are determined to keep going. but we have these big brains, that's part of our survival mechanism, if you like, that allow us to see the future, to generalise. and we're conscious of ourselves as individuals, and that means we're conscious of our own deaths. and of all the billions of creatures on ...

stephen cave, welcome to hardtalk. thank you for having me. it's a great pleasure. you believe that our human awareness of our own mortality is absolutely central to the human story. why? well, all creatures strive to live on, to keep going. they wouldn't be around us any more if they didn't. the mouse that didn't care about surviving wouldn't pass on its genes. so we come from a long line of creatures that are determined to keep going. but we have these big brains, that's part of our survival mechanism, if you like, that allow us to see the future, to generalise. and we're conscious...

"fantastic if we have a breakthrough in life "extension and, sure, there'll be problems, "but we'll solve them." well, fine. but let's. .. show me how you can solve the problems of biodiversity loss and ecosystem collapse and global warming now, and then i'll believe you if you tell me you can do it if everyone is living to 120 and population has doubled. those material challenges are clearly very real. but you go beyond the material challenges. you talk about the philosophical objections that you have as well. you seem to be suggesting that, actually, if we could live much longer and, you kno...

If everyone is living to 120 and population has doubled. those material challenges are clearly very real. but you go beyond the material challenges. you talk about the philosophical objections that you have as well. you seem to be suggesting that, actually, if we could live much longer and, you know, posit the notion of forever — ie, immortality — it would be extremely bad for us, bad for us because it would drain us of motivation. we would all be bored and we would be unhappy human beings. do you really believe that? the philosophical debate about immortality has been focused on genuinely...