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Both/and, but is it more there are signs of diminishing returns on additional doses or is there a concern that the next booster for the next booster we may need it to be variant specific and so we need to hold out for that? >> yes. you hit the nail on the head. the only thing more complicated than the immuno system is the evolution of this crazy virus. so we don't know if there is going to be a variant that's around the corner that is going to be so -- what we call antigenically distinct from the current set of variants that it will completely escape the immune system's ability to respond. if ...

Hospitalizations by 50%. that's great. vaccines prevent infection and prevent and reduce hospitalizations probably by 95-plus percent. so it's a whole different ball of wax, as it were. the vaccines are really the path out of the pandemic. for breakthrough infections, people whose immune systems don't hold up, the pill is an important tool. it's not a substitute for the vaccine. >> almost all of the people who are hospitalized or god forbid who die are unvaccinated americans. the fda advisers are meeting this week, dr. jha, to consider booster doses for moderna and johnson & johnson, as well a...