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There was an investigation, it was deemed they violated the law, it was taken before a grand jury, they were indicted, and how they have turned themselves in and will await trial. as we look at the streets tonight, it's important to recognize that these marches and protests have always been about accountability and justice, and what we see tonight is that, when a city provides accountability and justice, the protests are peaceful. we need to see this more so throughout the nation. >> trace: it's interesting to me, ted williams, we use you a lot because you have a different perspective. you wer...

He has trained SWAT teams, National Guard, and Narcotic Units, as well as courses in Use of Force and Case Law.

Accepted to be at. >> is that then information you both learned as a law enforcement officer and now teach? >> yes. i started -- first time you take a force course, one the first topics they go over is the law and the force continuums because without a thorough understanding of how and when you can do something, there's no need to move any further into weapons systems and what you could utilize for that. so it's a really basic foundation that everything else comes from. and when you progress it through law enforcement, the options are quite different because there's so many things -- what i ca...

Science behind impact weapons. >> sure. for the impact weapons, we're talking about batons. anything from a side handle baton to what is commonly carry which is an expandible asp kind of baton. they range anything from wood bat be to metal baton. impact weapons is geared towards those weapon systems, designed specifically for blocking and striking purposes. >> are there particular ways to actually use those weapons as opposed to just striking somebody with it or how does a lay person know the basis for your training and how to use a weapon like that? >> for an impact weapon -- for all the weap...

Law enforcement service. i began my law enforcement career with the city of rivera beach. i performed duties primarily for road patrol. i was also offered the opportunity to obtain an instructor's certification for defensive tactics which is the lead instructor's position for force related hand-to-hand-type training. i went to subsequent training courses for oc, which is pepper spray training and also impact weapons. i managed to become the lead instructor for defensive tickets with the city of revir ra beach while i was employed there. >> i know some of the terms having spoken to you before a...