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Denn dennis when he was in the field. talking about it, just talking about it in those terms, that is toxic, even on the democratic side, right? >> nobody would dare to say that. >> but is it because it's not true or too politically explosive? >> well, democrats are immediately being worried about being soft on security, the idea that you would say anything that would have impaw thae or understanding of those against us, no -- >> we understand you might have complaints about our policies in the past, and we are bowing -- >> how do they reconcile with ron paul, who is clearly a republican and c...

And are there people who are, you know, sympathetic, people like me, people who are middle classed folks out there, i think that's also very true. just as the tea party movement gets refracted, that's what has happened to the occupy movement. i think people use nasty language when they talk about people when they disagree, because impaw thae is something that we tend to fail at. >> i think there's a lot of truth to that. i was surprised by the fact that it -- the occupy line got so much applause, and -- >> were you really surprised? >> i was, actually. >> and i was thinking about this, and so ...