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Witness. it begs the question what do they have to hide? what are they trying to hide from the american people that they won't allow voting members of congress to hear what is going on in that room? >> reporter: democrats were blasting the move as a stunt. >> they are doing this because this is what the guilty do. innocent people cooperate with investigations. innocent people follow the rules of the house. >> the next witness to appear won't be until saturday because of the elijah cummings funeral. ambassador philip rieger is expected to appear in next week there are two more witnesses waiting...

And there is a strong argument that they don't need to really keep pursuing this subpoena avenue or any of the additional information because -- >> why not? >> there is a solid argument that contained in the four corners of that transcript or memorandum or whatever you want to call it that we saw weeks ago, that the impeachable offense lies therein in the text. and since trump has adopted that statement, anything in there is attributable to him. so if the impeachment grounds, if the article of impeachment is just that he used his influence with ukraine to try to get something in return, namely...

>> so emily do all lawmakers agree with senator scott? >> well, i think that there's some debate there, you mentioned earlier in the show that there was jeff flake saying that if there could be secret vote in the senate, he thinks that there would be a lot of republicans that would vote to convict the president of impeachment grounds but, you know, impeachment really is at its core, political process, it's not necessarily only based on -- on legal matters because of the nature of the presidency and that office, and so what we are going to see here is that democrats can't get some support from ...

>> when it becomes a private citizen, there will be those in congress probably lead by the house that will urge him to testify. i think he'll have a responsibility to do so. >> bob mueller is a renowned and well respected individual. but no one's above responding to a subpoena. and there are countless questions left unanswered. why didn't don jr. testify? why doesn't the president testify? those parts of the report are redacted. is it because they plead the fifth? impeachment is a political process. it doesn't have to arise to criminal conduct to constitute impeachment grounds. if the american...

President alleged to have committed perjury to keep the public from learning something that would be politically damaging and threaten his survival of president. it was thought he would have to resign when this came out. the defense you heard, on impeachment grounds was he may have committed perjury but this is over a private matter. it doesn't rise to that level. in an impeachment context, would that defense work here in. >> as you know having written a book about the '90, the impeachment issue is a public issue. it comes down to 20 republican senators. if we were impeached, whether or not he...