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Ought to be impeached. that they see crimes. just last week, a member of the judiciary committee said the president went down a crime spree. his words. before the present was elected. the chairman of the oversight committee, after michael cohen testified, said that the: testimony showed that president trump committed a crime in office. crime, the chairman's words. democrats cannot keep using the word crime without setting in motion an impeachment path that they cannot avoid. that's going to backfire. >> harris: not to mention the fact that then you have to ask about the objectivity of somebody...

Especially at the end, i saw a political stunt written by clinton hacks. >> jesse: no russian collusion according to michael cohen and, juan, roger stone didn't have any advance notification about the wikileaks dump. >> dana: there is one person we haven't talked about. she was not in the hearing. that is speaker pelosi. she has tried to tap the brakes and tell her caucus we are not on an impeachment path. she is wanted to tried carefully on that. in elijah cummings' wrap-up statement, he took great offense to republicans who said this is the first hearing that they are not doing anything else...

Moderate, suburban districts where they want people to get some things done. one of the most effective people was katie hill, the young woman from southern california. she used to work in the obama administration, one of the freshman democrats whose not gotten a lot of attention. she is solid and moving forward. if i were pelosi, i would want to focus on those folks rather than the far left. if they go down an impeachment path, it probably won't end well for them. >> jesse: and they have to wait for the mueller report to come out first. the cohen hearing that the only major story where followi...

The run of the mill improper practices that the president would not be able to govern the country. they would lord over him and he would not never be able to act creatively and would fail. so the framers had this idea that you need some real wrong doing. high crimes and misdemeanors or bribery or treason are serious offenses because otherwise the impeachment power could get out of hand. >> what rises to the level of an impeachment offense? >> as long as it's a grave abuse of power that threatens to dissolve the kind of republic that we have, it would be an impeachable offense. it's not a techn...

President, even without an indictment, mueller could still make a recommendation to the house of representatives. >> yep. >> a lot of political fall out. they can recommend impeachment, on and on and on. what trouble could that cause for the president? >> yeah, so i think it is really important and laura always does a good job of differentiating here. there is a legal path, right, and that's sort of the indictment path. and then there is a political path and that's the impeachment path. look, we're not at either of those paths yet. but one and the other are not terribly related. impeachment ca...