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If the president is innocent as he says, if this was all such a perfect phone call, then why not turn over the real transcript of the phone call that's being held in extra security in the white house? why not make available to congress those people who were in the room, who were engaged in email traffic, who know what happened with withholding aid to ukraine? and on so far, this president hasn't been willing to do that, even though in previous impeachment processes, we know at least with richard nixon, when it looked like congress was going to impeach him, with bill clinton during his impeachm...

That would consider legal questions about what has been proven. and political questions about what the common good of our nation requires. >> congressman, that's kind of amazing given what mitch mcconnell has said at the podiums. what he has said on fox news about there is no space between him and the white house. there's no need to hear from witnesses. so he's -- he does seem in this instance to be talking out of both sides of his mouth. >> well, i think that's just one of the most hypocritical statements i've ever heard. because essentially what he's saying, though, is that the senate exists...

To in the end dictate this. is there any to me it sounds like the likelihood of it flowing into 2020 is what it's going to be. >> absolutely. i mean in terms of the process and the procedure, there's a full expectation inside of the beltway in washington, d.c. that this kicks into the 2020 calendar year. whether it's six weeks, whether it's three weeks. that we don't know. but in terms of the process, if you look at the previous impeachment processes, you'll see that it's gone several weeks. i would just say, speaker pelosi and leader mcconnell are, their reputations in washington is that they...

Other words, if you were a martian just arriving and the view of congress what you saw the last week, you would have gotten a representative view. and one thing that was interesting to me was that another thing that's historically unique about this impeachment process, this is the first time that we have seen a president with a judiciary committee voting for impeachment running for re-election. and that caused something we didn't see in earlier impeachment processes which was yesterday an awful lot of almost commercials for trump in 2020 talking about the economy and what a good president he w...

He has an article on his wall back then and said it's a moment of history. he said in there and repeated to me today that he wouldn't wish impeachment on his worst enemy. he doesn't want this current president to be impeached, but what he said is, because he's been around a while, i'm worried that just the way the bork situation changed the way the judicial nominees are treated, that the fact that we've had three impeachment processes in the last 50 years when it didn't happen for almost 200 is a scary thing because there is a tit for tat going on that could speed up even more on something as ...