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Service for example can put information out there. it creates the whole atmosphere. so the president is not just the impeachment question i don't think is just a national emergency of how it affects our politics but on a broader level, this could create a crisis in terms of how other countries r perceive us and how we are projecting ourselves susceptible to this kind of blackmail and this information. >> jason, before i come to you and get your views on the national emergency that we seem to be in since natasha brought it out. senator johnson was on "meet the press" with chuck todd. i am going...

There must be therein an impulse to speak out, to harry the president criticize longstanding members of the government, people who filled these jobs in civil service and the security side of things. yet is he holding back there? >> taking a step back and the way he responded both on this issue and also with the mueller investigation, it has been to defer to that institution, to tkoeps, the congressional investigations. certainly the last couple of weeks we have seen vice president biden perhaps come out more forcefully on the impeachment question, speak a little bit more openly about that than...

Campaign, he need the republican voters on board. of course, the counter to that is if he's admitting publicly, what is at the heart of the impeachment question here. that's not the quid pro quo. what's at the heart of the impeachment is whether he asked a foreign country or multiple foreign countries to investigate a political opponent. if he infused his power to do that. >> "the new york times" editorial board is writing the more -- urges to do the same thing, the more normal -- such aberrant presidential behavior will seem. how should the democrats counter that? >> so the president's strate...

Precedent that the whole house vote begins. not only does white house want pelosi to hold the vote but they want pressure on red state democrats to see how they're going to vote and they also want a full roll call of how everybody voted on this impeachment question in order to use it against them in the 2020 election. neil? >> neil: i know it's a game at this point, but do you get the sense that nancy pelosi has 218 votes in the house to move here? >> as of the beginning of this week, it appeared she did. but when you -- i mean, saying that you have them in a whip could be behind the scenes is...

Political campaign, to turn other governments against american citizens, in this case joe biden and his son. this is a simple question with a simple answer. of course it is not okay. before republicans even begin contemplating the impeachment question, they should be able to state clearly and unequivocally that what has happened here is wrong, that the president is way out of bounds and that for small government conservatives, this idea of using the power of the state to publish political opponents is just totally unacceptable. >> carlos, thank you. here is the president just a short time ago....