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Evidence. people might say, well, i don't like what they did but look what they were doing to him. when people vote on the impeachment vote and subsequent impeachment vote when it comes that the senate will depend on all kinds of factors. some of them relevant and a lot of not. >> a lot of this also has to do with the calendar. on the ig report, we were originally told by the end of october we definitely see it. it has not come out yet. still being sold it could come out any day. people always asking and tweeting and posting about that. but there is also a calendar here on the impeachment side...

Essentially an inadvertent implication when he admitted there was a kind of quid pro quo and then he walked back. we don't need right now. trump needs to focus not on impeachment. when the vote came down as it did on this process and it was only democrats voting for it and only republicans voting against it and to democrats in vulnerable positions voting against it, that's as partisan as you can get. so were democrats surprised? was the leadership surprise while this does look like a cabal? >> it's interesting, it will be interesting to see it moving forward what the democratic party does in t...

Paramount. so i think the president continues to obstruct. it's the reason i came over to the impeachment side. the fact that the president disregarded the constitutional ability of congress to oversee the executive branch. and i think more importantly, on the heels of the special counsel's testimony, the call with ukraine takes place. >> right. >> the president's never been held accountable -- >> the day after. >> -- for wrongdoing. >> the day after, the day after. >> the day after. he says, well, i dodged that bullet. i can do something worse. i'm immune. i'm above the law. the public can fo...

During this recess, it won't happen on capitol hill. >> that's when you hear to the impeachment side. remember in 2009, the tea party folks showed up at republican members town halls and it really built the energy there to oppose the push for obamacare, at least on the obamacare side. could you see some of that this month? >> you possibly could but that doesn't change the fact lawmakers aren't in town. every time some new democratic member says, i support impeachment and there is breathless analysis and what this says about the nature of the coalition. the closer it gets to august the easier t...

Really, and that's impeachment. joining me now from the office of information of regulatory affairs under president obama and author of "impeachment: a citizen's guide." if facts point in that direction, congress must. cass, you are not -- i think your reputation is not as a kind of like fire-breathing radical. i think your temperament is fairly moderate in temperament and judicious. but you seem to come down on the impeachment side here. why? >> well, impeachment side with respect to congress' obligations not necessarily with respect to any particular president. so it's probably good to go st...