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What -- what do you do with all of this information? because most of the witnesses, whether they were fact witnesses or they could create context, had a very similar story. two of them who didn't, volker and -- and sondland -- ended up revising their stories to be a little more in line with everybody else's. so there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of dispute despite what some republicans are saying about what the facts of this situation are. >> yeah. i think that the facts have come into focus. and i would imagine if i were drafting this or involved in it, i would suggest three articles of imp...

A presidential -- >> impeachment, the impeachment standard is quite clear, this is not subject to debate among anyone in the scholarship, it is clear from hamilton. a violation would be against society itself. it is worse, what he is accused of doing is different and worse than shooting somebody on fifth avenue. does it violate the social politics, that is the first point, and to process again, the law is completely against it. first you bring forward the trial in the charges, then and as it will be, you have the chance for the president or whoever it is to defend. >> i want to bring you into ...

Process. so there is not actually a legal stad they have to meet. it's whatever members of congress think meets the impeachment standard. >> but as a rule how does it strengthen the case. >> that's abused of his office. what mulvaney said yesterday and i watched the whole thing again late last night to be sure i heard what he said. and he -- i think he was talking about the motivation for withholding the ukrainian money and he was very clear there was a deliberate decision to withhold it. and he was referring to, i think, the investigation generally into the 2016 election in particular. and he...

That they can help make a judgement about whether the president should be held to an impeachment standard, they need to make sure that the american people understand the facts. so getting mueller to read the report or put the report in his own words or restate it is a critical thing, and particularly the critical thing is to get him to confirm that there was evidence of conspiracy with the russians, just not enough evidence to permit an indictment. and secondly, that there was substantial evidence with regard to obstruction of justice. that they couldn't clear him and they couldn't exonerate h...

Critical point is that most people have not read the mueller report. the democrats and really anybody who is sincere about trying to educate the american people so that they can help make a judgement about whether the president should be held to an impeachment standard, they need to make sure that the american people understand the facts. so getting mueller to read the report or put the report in his own words or restate it is a critical thing, and particularly the critical thing is to get him to confirm that there was evidence of conspiracy with the russians, just not enough evidence to permi...