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That is probably too late to impact impeachment. is this really the fastest courts can go from an impeachment standpoint? >> a sobering reality check that i'm used to practicing in the federal court, even when the courts are pushing at max speed, it may not be fast enough for impeachment because of the short schedule we're on here. there was a moment that the judge was setting the briefing schedule in the kupperman coast, saying this is utmost importance and push as fast as we can and one of the deadlines we're giving is a thanksgiving, and can we have a couple of extra days and in the matter ...

Thank you for answering that. guy, i just want to ask you about morrison. it was on the july 25th call, he testified that he didn't think there was anything discussed that illegal. that's his opinion. is he right? was there any crime committed here? >> well, remember, impeachment is like we just said, is not about a crime. but, yeah. he violated the campaign finance act because you can't -- it says very clearly, you can't invite any foreigner to help in an election. and here he is shaking down the president of ukraine looking for dirt on his political opponent in a u.s. election. so, yeah, he ...

Morrison. he testified that he didn't think there was anything to discuss that was illegal. that's his opinion. is he right? was there any crime committed here? >> well, remember, impeachment is like we just said, is not about a crime. but yeah. he violated the campaign finance act. it says very clearly, you can't invite any foreigner to help in an election. and here he is, shaking down the president of ukraine. looking for dirt on his political opponent in a u.s. election. not only did he violate the constitution with abuse of power, he violated the law in the sense of campaign financial. >> ...

D.c. in fact, in two different federal courtrooms, two different witnesses fighting subpoenas from the house of representatives. joining us now, neil cat yell, former acting solicitor general. he is an msnbc legal contributor and coa-author of "impeach, the case against donald trump." thank you so much for joining us tonight. let's start with the don mcgahn subpoena. let's consider what happened in that case. the judge really had a struggle trying to understand why don mcgahn should not be forced to comply with a house subpoena. >> yeah, so you had two things going on really today two differen...

Msnbc legal contributor and coauthor of an upcoming new book "impeach the case against donald trump." thank you very much for joining us tonight. let's start with the don mcgahn subpoena. let's consider what happened in that case because the judge really had a struggle trying to understand why don mcgahn should not be forced to comply with a house subpoena. >> yeah, so you had two things going on really today, two different witnesses. but i think the most important thing, lawrence, to start your discussion is that's all gravy. from the house impeachment standpoint the evidence against trump as...