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What's going on -- >> we don't need it. >> what's going on is that i think too much has been made of the phrase impeachment inquiry. >> so, clearly there's confusion on capitol hill and outside capitol hill this weekend as the house judiciary chair jerry nadler there tries to tamp down impeachment talks. it comes after his committee revealed that lawmakers need to see mueller's secret grand jury evidence to determine whether to introduce articles of impeachment. watch as democrats try to clarify their stance today. >> you are investigating possible impeachment. but you haven't formally opened ...

Right yet. let's get sophisticated about this. this is not endless and when we have the best strongest possible case. >> joining me now is our senior editor politics for nbc, jonathan k. park and charlie savage, our new york times national security correspondent. charlie, nadler is declaring an impeachment inquiry. when you hear folks in support of the impeachment talks. it sounds like they feel they're heading in the right direction. let's start with what we know of the information of the house judiciary committee is looking for to boost their case. >> charlie? >> yes, they are and what this ...

Got herself going after diane feinstein as well. this is going to happen no matter what but impeachment is definitely good fodder for it. i find these challenges from people on the left to be utterly ridiculous. when you look at someone's record who voted 85% of the time in line with the, quote, squad you know how ridiculous this is going after elected officials of color for instance, making an argument we need to meet door verse and representative. service will continue. nancy pelosi is on sure footing after the mueller testimony. i believe jerry never and adam schiff would be more partial to...

Victory for him. are you closer or further away of impeachment at the end of the day? yesterday, which conceivably could have been a bad day for the president, you'd have to say impeachment was even more distant than it had been at the beginning of the day. so in that sense, it was a victory for the president. he doesn't want to be impeached. it may have been also been a victory for nancy pelosi. she doesn't want to expend the political capital to impeach the president. she said it was bad to hold on to their majority in november 2020. i think impeachment was not much of a prospect going into ...

Influential she'll be though when it comes to getting pelosi to see eye to eye with her on things such as impeachment, for example. these freshmen congress women want to see the president impeached. there's no doubt about it. i wonder how much impeachment talks will come up. >> probably shows you not everyone who is following these things as closely as we are in the media, right? some people are vaguely aware. >> julie: some people have no clue what's going on. >> they see a picture and say, i like her, but they're not following the minute to minute fighting. >> julie: does pelosi come to term...