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Like, oh, no, you're going to win, and that you had people like stephen bannon who were like, we want you to win because they had agendas tied to him being president, when in his own mind this may have been a way for him to get rich. what do you make of that theory that the reason that he would have cohen lie -- or that cohen would lie because we don't know that donald trump made him do it, is because the fact that he was continuing to pursue this tower while running for president, i don't know, what would be the problem with people knowing that if in his own mind he had a right to do it becau...

Well. he doesn't care about the other. >> and that's the thing -- >> doesn't care about us. >> i have to ask the question, are people now in his base, you have to now choose between xenophobia and food. >> that's right. >> that's a pretty stark choice. >> you can live off of racism for a long time. lots of americans feed off of bigotry. they've been doing it for a long time. i think what's interesting about this, yes, obviously the wall is ridiculous and all the border -- republicans and democrats who are members of congress say we don't like this idea, we don't think it's good, i think at som...

Joy, even before we won the elections in november, there was a call for the republicans to conduct their oversight per what the constitution requires. >> we know they weren't going to do that, right. >> they would not do that. now with democrats in control, what we're doing is moving forward and i would say the majority of our democratic caucus really want to see these investigations move forward to determine the facts to determine the conclusion and to where we should take action with regard to imsneechlts right. i mean devin nunes and other members of the house made it clear they were not in...

Run a trump tower in moscow and have these businesses running at the same time, does it make sense to you that that would be the incentive for his associates to not admit to the congress that he was still pursuing the tower? if donald trump said i had a right to pursue this in case i didn't win, why would michael cohen lie to congress about it? >> right. joy, you're asking the question that investigators, prosecutors would immediately ask when they discover that someone's lied about something particularly big like this which is this consciousness of guilt question, why lie, what are they hidin...