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Ups and downs than your average career. some of the most brutally difficult moments from a person can experience. i think about my private life being splashed across anywhere. i don't think anyone would want that. the idea that all of it was building towards the moment in which she runs again and doesn't win, that also seems tragic to me. >> well, it's bizarre there's such a sense of, have we learned nothing? that we're all talking about her as the inevitable nominee. that "time" cover -- >> "people" ran the same cover. >> i don't think she's inevitable. i'm in the camp that she may have a dif...

That. the idea that all of it was building towards the moment in which she runs again and doesn't win, that also seems tragic to me. >> well, it's bizarre there's such a sense of, have we learned nothing? that we're all talking about her as the inevitable nominee. that "time" cover -- >> "people" ran the same cover. >> i don't think she's inevitable. i'm in the camp that she may have a difficult time in 2016 because there's this push for a new face, fresh blood, the party wanting someone who's much more progressive and her record is not very progressive, per se. in some senses, you can make th...

In some senses, you can make the case, some of the interventions were progressive in that they were humanitarian in scope, but there were underlying reasons for that besides humanitarian. so i think while she's clearly going to be a strong contender, the notion that she's inevitable is a dangerous one for her team to adopt again. >> i agree with that. i don't think she's inevitable, but that will not stop her, i think, from running. because i've not met anybody in politics with more inner strength as a person than hillary clinton has. take my word for it. >> i absolutely believe that. >> and i...