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But as a former deputy minister of culture, he knows virtually all of peru's tourism depends on one site. when a land slide came, tourism fell. is the financial pressure to allow more people in? 2 million. he says there will be tighter control on pedestrian flow and limits on the size of tour groups but 2 million would mean twice as many visitors as now. so do you think it people that are crowding in here today are getting that inca experience, what the king enjoyed? >> i don't think so. maybe 45 years ago when i came here for the first time and

Getting that inca experience, what the king enjoyed? >> i don't think so. maybe 45 years ago when i came here for the first time and there were only 5en had people a day for a day you got that sense that it site was yours, there were orchids around and hummingbirds. now i'm not sure people are getting that experience and in it future certainly it will not be that experience, no. >> but luis has promised to show me a few place where that experienexpeer y experience exists. uncrowded gems that could relief it pressure on precious machu picc picchu. simon and garfunkel ] the volkswagen atlas. wit...