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Filled indictment. that's as far out as anybody who was ever run for presidency in 2020 has gone on the republican side of the aisle. i just wonder, joy, how do you think the ron desantis of the world play this? if you had an opponent who is facing several -- 37 counts you will probably talk about on the campaign trail, and yet, open question about similar ron desantis? >> asa hutchins will give him credit, that also kind of several like chris christie. but chris christie, and a citizens have been former prosecutor. >> mitch mcconnell's here? >> mcconnell is quiet. the problem is, all the ince...

Common ground and are disincentive biased to find that common ground that they will be punished in their primaries. there is no one in office that is incentivized to seek that middle ground. and so, until we create different incentive structures for candidates, they are just going to keep following the party platforms. >> fascinating conversation. thank you for your time, enjoy your time here at the u.s. office of mayors. >> thank you so much, i appreciate. it >> simone, she also sat down with republican mayor john chiles of mesa, arizona. he's the co-chair of the immigration reform task force...

The rise of president duterte, illiberal leaders, the destruction of our institutions within six months. it goes hand—in—hand with the power of facebook. by the time i started writing how to stand up to a dictator, which was published last year, it was, which dictator am i talking about? duterte in the philippines or mark zuckerberg on facebook? facebook is our internet, so the decisions of these tech giants, the ceos of these companies, determine what our world is. so you are saying mark zuckerberg of facebook is essentially like a dictator? is he not? think about it, as of 2018, twitter ...

And i think that that's problematic. >> and these political figures don't work for the nba, multi million billion dollar enterprise, when you suspended, it was a very conduct detrimental to the lead. it's bad for the lead, and the nba is going to come out hard as a result because he got in front of the cameras and i'm sure the commissioner said, look, i'm a changed man, they won't happen again. and then it happens weeks later. >> i agree, there should be different incentive structures. if there were no repercussions from the nba, i think we would still be judging the get behavior from ja moran...

That users are in countering this content. especially when they follow a meme page thinking that they are going to get funny content, lighthearted jokes. and suddenly, because of the incentives that instagram creates, these pages are posting gore and really disturbing videos. >> do you know who is behind these videos? i'm sure it's not one person, but is there some group that could be shut down that is posting violence like this? >> unfortunately, it's not one group, it is many, many, many instagram pages. i mean there are thousands of peoples in these group chats coordinating this type of stu...