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Because it doesn't end up in the more as of all of this. it is like, you have to do it the same way you have to do it to go to school. there's a level that takes it out of the cultural war as opposed to super charging it. >> yes. incentives don't work. mandates work. you know, you mentioned going to school. it is like dealing with children. these people are behaving like irrational children. a right winger watching this would say look at the tie ran cal person on msnbc. you mentioned republican governors doing well. vermont governor is doing well. but guess what, they're not front-runners for ...

To school. i think there is a level in which it takes it out of the culture war. as opposed to super charging it. >> incentives don't work, mandates work. and you mentioned going to school. it's like dealing with children. these people are behaving like a rational children. and therefore what do you do with children, you have to do what's best for children. not a right-wing of watching this will say look at that part on msnbc, but that is a reality in a public health crisis that is going back all the way to george washington. and you mentioned republican governors doing well, the months govern...

Given the resources to do it. if you don't have any work requirements, no means testing on so much of this. >> if 3.5 trillion is agreed to by -- are you going to be the lone vote? >> i don't think i'm the lone vote. i think you know that, too. >> would you be willing to be the lone vote? >> i've said if i can't go home and explain it, i'm not going to vote for it. >> the vaccine mandate, are you supportive? >> the president has done what the president is responsible to do, he's looking out for the most vulnerable. if people are as sick and tired of this pandemic as i am, wearing masks and eve...