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Death. joining us now are our guests. frank, our folks who, including ken, who deal with these things, and cover it with the government or have been involved with the federal government have told us that the fbi has understood this is a rising threat for some years and that this administration has been clear about it since day one and has made something of an active choice not to devote resources to dealing with the rise of white nationalism and domestic terror. >> well, we've seen budget cuts. we've seen defunding of existing initiatives and centers and that's problematic because the fbi has ...

Police to take a gun away, all of that plays in here. but the bottom line is, two things. one is, hate is behind this. we've got to get behind this radicalization of young people. but the reality is when you have a drum magazine that can carry a hundred rounds of ammunition as we saw in the dayton shooting, or you have extended magazines or you have high powered automatic rifles on the street, you've got to ask yourself why are we arming our civilian population to this degree? so if someone is mentally unstable and still has the ideology and just has a knife in their hand, we're going to have ...

It's not just a terrorism problem. there is a cyber element, an intelligence element, and, you know, it's very complex. we have a clear enemy when we're talking about international terrorism. we've designated groups and individuals. we know where their chat rooms and websites are. we don't have that on the domestic terrorism side. why is that? because our democracy, a bed rock of our democracy is free speech. while we're wrestling with the issue of when does hate become violence, this is happening and playing out in front of us. >> ken, i want to go into the process, though, in which these typ...