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I would love to get that kind of help on the campaign side. what took place between those interactions, between essentially the russians feeling out the campaign for their willingness to work with them and the ultimate dumping of those documents. so a lot more work that needs to be done, but those e-mails and securing his cooperation, and i hope that was part of the plea agreement, could be very important to answering these questions. >> do you expect more indictments to come? >> i think that's certainly very possible. there have been a lot of public reports in terms of the focus on mike flynn...

Today's news. >> well, i think the manafort and gates indictments are significant. this is not a peripheral player here. we're talking about the campaign manager. it's also significant that at the time of the campaign it's been reported that mr. manafort was reaching out to russia through an oligarch close to putin offering information on the campaign in an effort to collect more of the money that he's been indicted for laundering today or that's present in today's indictment, so he's reaching out to the russians at the same time that the russians are reaching out to him and other campaign peo...

About to come out. >> nobody knew about this at all. none of of this leaked, the papadopoulos information, so the question is how much more is there? you know, there could be a lot more. at the end of the day we don't know what mueller has. >> right. >> and it seems like this is very much the beginning of the investigation, not the end. >> we should point out that tony podesta, who worked with paul manafort, and he's a big-time democratic labbist in to democratic lobbyist in town, apparently in response to his lobbying group not being named, but it was an unnamed organization in the manafort i...

Campaign manager paul manafort and campaign official rick gates. the two were business associates employer to the work on the trump campaign. the 12-count indictment against the two men focus on their years as political consultants and lobbyists working in ukraine. the counts include conspiracy against the united states, conspiracy to launder money and seven counts of failure to file reports of foreign bank and financial accounts. both men have previously denied financial wrongdoing and pleaded not guilty today. at manafort's alexandria, virginia home in july, the fbi executed a so-called no-k...

These indictments may indicate is that as a result of it there will be other trails of evidence that will be followed by bob mueller, and i think there's probably a very good bet that additional indictments will be forthcoming and could involve members of both parties. >> it's being floated by allies of the president that maybe he should use his power of the pardon on manafort and gates. what do you -- what do you think about that as a potential path for the president? >> i think that's -- that's really dangerous speculation and recommendations if that's what people are saying to the president...