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All right. so we often use the terms misinformation and disinformation interchangeably. but there is a real difference between the two. misinformation, quite frankly, has always been around. but it is a challenge that we are now always dealing with as a result of social media and 24-hour information streams where the connected world make it's so easy to circulate incorrected information that gets floated and shared. disinformation, on the other hand, is when people deliberately put incorrect or false information out there to achieve a political objective or even create a society of ill-informe...

Out? >> hi. thanks for having me. this ongoing damage by some of these people that continue to spread misinformation and disinformation on covid and this ongoing pandemic has been going on for almost two years now. and it's incredibly dangerous. the divisiveness that remains in our country stemmed from day one of this pandemic, and it continues today. and these conspiracy theories that especially are spread by people in office right now, elected leaders, elected officials especially, those with doctor before their name, that lends extra credibility. and it undermines the public health communit...

Community for you all to learn the lesson that covid is here, it's not going away, and the less people continue to protect themselves and the less people get vaccinated and the more you spread conspiracy theories about the vaccine and all these other things about mask mandates, the more you're hurting the people that elected you to protect them. >> yeah, and you're seeing this play out unfortunately pretty much across party lines, because, as we showed earlier, you have 60% of republicans who are unvaccinated. so there is a real life consequence to the information that is being, you know, spre...

Information. >> i think those are great examples of things that are obviously not true and that are kind of political propaganda that are lies, that are very old kinds of falsehoods. i think there's a big spectrum of stuff that is not that clear and that we like to apply this kind of simple framework of misinformation, too. like, through the trump years, progressives believed a lot of things that turned out not to have been true about trump about russia for instance. was that misinformation? was it deliberate misinformation? i'm not trying to look inside people's hearts. but i think it's easy ...

With you. i think you bring up a really good point because i immediately think of 2003 when the governor, the bush administration manipulated the media by leaking claims that there were weapons of mass destruction, which we knew to be false, only then to turn around and cite the actual media reports as evidence that there are other sources out there saying that iraq has weapons of mass destruction. so i agree that there has always been this kind of symbiotic relationship where the government tries to manipulate the media. but is it different this time when you have the added layer of social me...