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Understand they've got the wrong man. >> are you optimistic you can change course here, and what makes you so sure -- what makes you believe him? >> it's not about believing rodney reed, although he has been consistent throughout. it's really about looking at the facts of this case. when you look at the scientific evidence it both exonerates rod no reed and puts the time of death at a time that jimmy finel testified he was alone with stacey in the apartment. when you look at the witnesses that continue to come out, some people say they're not credible. but look who they are. they are police of...

What makes you believe him? >> it's not about believing rodney reed although he has been consistent throughout. it is really about looking at the facts of this case. when you look at the scientific evidence, it both exonerates rodney reed and it puts the time of death at a time that jimmy testified that he was alone with stacy in their apartment. when you look at these witnesses that continue to come out, some people say that they're not credible. but look who they are. they're police officers. they're friends of jimmy fanell. these people have no reason to lie. and time after time people come...

I'm afraid president trump is going to have to and he's not going to have to. >> if the president tried to take the fifth amendment it would be entirely possible that the special prosecutor would grant him criminal immunity to everything he's testifying to and then he has no fifth amendment rights left. obviously the special prosecutor would be able to the bring everything he found to congress if they want to make an impeachment maneuver based on what they discovery in this kind of interview. >> that's right. although it's a long shot, you wouldn't do that with the person who's the target of t...

Obviously the special prosecutor would be able to the bring everything he found to congress if they want to make an impeachment maneuver based on what they discovery in this kind of interview. >> that's right. although it's a long shot, you wouldn't do that with the person who's the target of the prosecution. but i want to say stewart is dead right. this is not a personaljury trap. the government is not playing got ya here. if he goes in front of a grand jury and tells the truth he incull pates himself. so he has to cast for something that will exculpate him. so he has to look for a lie. it's ...