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Substantively. i guarantee you -- i haven't spoken to him but i guarantee you he was fuming last night in vietnam none of them were standing up saying, hold on a second. why are we assuming. and if that's the truth, nicolle, the president has bigger problems. he has bigger political problems if his own party in the congress doesn't believe him anymore, that's a bigger problem. i don't think it's true but if it is, it's a bigger problem. >> let me show what turned out to be a lie. >> you suggested the president sometimes communicates his wishes indirectly. for example, you said, quote, mr. trum...

The president through election day, they've been having those conversations with the russians. but where do you think the other pressure points are for the other individuals the governor mentioned? the president's kids and other people at the trump organization? >> i found it interesting, nicolle, that robert mueller's been essentially hands off with the kids, with the family members. and so my imagination runs wild about whether or not that kind of hands-off approach has been done in coordination with the southern district or other districts because maybe the southern district is going to han...

Allen weisselberg i understand had narrow limited immunity around certain questions but not a cooperating witness. will he become one? why is he so important? >> he's important nicolle because he's been around the trump organization and mr. trump for a long time. these are the types of people who are important witnesses because they see stuff, they read stuff, they hear stuff, they just hang around. so weisselberg couldn't be having a good day yesterday. he's probably not having a particularly good day today either. and i imagine -- i should say there's a problem with him testifying before con...

Federal prosecutor, we approach cooperating witnesses like cohen with great sir couple inspection. they have an incentive to tell the truth now but they spent a lot of time before now lying. he's a liar. he's a cheater. he's a thief. now he has incentive to tell the truth. he has a great incentive to tell the truth both to congress and the prosecutors but you have to corroborate it. that's absolutely the key to this going forward. i imagine there will be a lot of ways to do it. but they have to corroborate him. >> all right. after the break, trump's reaction to what he heard yesterday in that ...