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So there was a bit of a, i think in my view bureaucratic fight of this for several months. and what people view that is unfortunate, but does seem now that this is going to be full cooperation. >> so we're not at a point yet where one might say, oh there specific cooperation or -- we were seeing eyed eye on these specific criminal referrals that the committee issued yesterday and will inform the indictment process if there is one. >> i guess if you don't know the answer to that, let me also, ask loop -- >> go ahead, go ahead. i think little too soon to read into that based on this. i think wha...

>> so we're not at a point yet where one might say, oh there specific cooperation or -- we were seeing eyed eye on these specific criminal referrals that the committee issued yesterday and will inform the indictment process if there is one. >> i guess if you don't know the answer to that, let me also, ask loop -- luke broadwater. go ahead, go ahead. >> i think little too soon to read into that based on this. i think what we can safely assume is that the justice department is interested in investigating all these things. not that they've reached the same conclusions that the january 6th committ...

If they refuse to testify, if the committee goes that route and if they're found guilty, that could be the outcome here. >> that's right. it is a misdemeanor offense so we're not talking about years in jail, but it does carry at least 30 days in jail. now, again, there's still going to be a criminal process. just because they refer it to doj doesn't mean the department of justice is going to automatically take these people to trial. they'll have to go through the indictment process, but that process in a criminal case is usually much faster than in a civil case when you're trying to get a cour...

Let's see. >> when you hear about these newly-released e-mails, though, do you think maybe we should have investigated a little bit longer? maybe the house process was a little too fast? >> no. what i think is what the house process was an indictment. you don't bring out or have to do as -- you know, in an indictment as you do in a trial. >> so you're confident it wasn't rushed? >> no, it's not. we had all the information and it was -- wasn't refuted. the president chose not to refute. so it was no question. we all wanted to hear. you know, in an indictment process, a defendant does not have t...

Understanding how the president of the united states committed acts of felony obstruction of justice. i was one of those federal prosecutors who wrote that the president would be in handcuffs doing a perp walk as a criminal defendant but for his being a sitting president. and i think that the face and voice of robert mueller in effect the movie depicting the book, which most americans won't read, will have a gripping powerful effect on america as a whole as well as on congress. >> let's listen to what robert mueller said on that day a month ago when he spoke. and he talked about the constituti...