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The draft rules are sitting on their plate to be brought to the attention of everyone else. it's a matter of time. i think we're on the cusp of the rules coming out. i believe that the s.e.c. wants to see how it plays out with the accredited investors first and then come out with proposed rules for title 3 and unaccredited investors. >> let's step back one second. if you go into he cequity crowd funding, i suspect your answer would be different. is there something that's worked well on indie-go go. >> some advice? you need a good pitch, be pro ak tich and find an audience that cares. some of t...

Interesting. we have a series of data showing you how to optimize your raise on indie-go go. >> it's so great to talk about this. it's really exciting. congratulations to you sherwood. i know you've been working hard on this. >> you can stick around for a little longer. customer service can make or break your company. think of zappos, it was built on exceptional customer service. i called in with an issue. the agent on the other end of the phone was so incredibly helpful that i told my friends about it. how well do you think your staff is connecting with your clients? here are five tips how to...

Things like this are really interesting. we have a series of data showing you how to optimize your raise on indiegogo. >> great. it's great to see you and talk about this. congratulations to you, sherwood, i know you've been working hard on this for a long time. it's great to see you. stick around for a little bit longer. customer service can make or break your company. think of zappos. that whole business was build on exceptional customer service. just the other day i called into a business i bought something from and the agent on the other end of the phone was so incredibly helpful, i told...

And say give me money and i'll give you a pen. >> it's not just donations, it's donations are perk based. not every company is a nonprofit. really anybody can start a campaign on indiegogo. are we interested in this? absolutely. when we came up for the idea of indiegogo in 2006 and launched in 2008, our idea was to go into equity crowd funding, along with the perks and other things, but then found out about the regulations from the '30s and thought we can't go there yet. in our wildest dreams, at some point in the next 20 years, this might change and we'll be able to have indiegogo support cro...

>> wow. huge. >> claws -- >> can you imagine? that would be delicious. >> so good. also, we hate flies. we have so many because of the crazy weather. this guy has come up with something, very cool here. a salt-shooting gun that kills flies. who knew that salt would kill flies? apparently he launched the idea on one of those fundraising sites forond -- sites called indie-go-go. asking for $15,000 to launch a fly shotgun. it shoots salt at flies. and the salt kills the flies. >> a true salt weapon. >> not bad for humans either. >> interestingly, oakland had an 82-year-old ban on dance marathon...