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President. director of naacp legal defense and education fund. and a cnn commentator and opinion writer for "the new york times." we're sort of out of time with all your titles. let me start with a basic question. it seems to me that the president was lowering expectations a little bit there in that part of his speech, saying this was basically, has to be the state and local level to change the laws. people on the street saying justice for trayvon. what is -- what does justice for trayvon martin look like? >> let me just say what i've been struck with over the past week -- and i watched charle...

There are very deep, painful problems that not only have not been addressed, not even discussed. so i think you have a psychological thing going on, which is in the streets, and you have a legal case, and the president is partly saying there is -- and i think he's hinting -- there is no legal ground for the justice department to reopen this case, but the country needs to have some kind of conversation about how big the gap is between the black community and the rest of the country. >> and i would argue with the speaker that not only are the dots not being connected in the streets, people that ...