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And these polls give you and indication that there is a weakness in the brand or the operation, and perhaps, they can figure out how to make sure to close the gap, but i have to say this about bernie sanders, he has found a sweet spot in the democratic coalition. there is a hunger for someone with the passion, and the kind of the what i believe is the vision that senator sanders has in terms of dealing with the closing the inequality gap, and making sure that our children can get the education they need, and ensuring that the middle-class is healthy and prosperous, and not just the wealthiest ...

Incomes once again rising, how people can feel they have a stake in our country and where we begin to narrow that inequality gap so we have broad-based prosperity that everybody can benefit from. >> to bob's question about bernie sanders, though, he leads here in new hampshire, he's got huge crowds wherever he goes, 20,000 people in boston over the weekend. he's raised a lot of money, almost as much as you did in the third quarter. are you surprised by the rise of bernie sanders? >> oh, no. look, i really believe this is great for the democratic party and for this election, because we want to ...

Almost all the new income and wealth is going from the top 1%. people do not like the idea that, as a result of citizens eye nited, our campaign system has become corrupt. >> if you further it out, he says hillary clinton plays better to wall street and the millionaires and billionaires and he doesn't. is that assessment right? >> in iowa it's bearing it out. that's why he's within seven points of catching her. when hillary lost in 2008, she came in third. john edwards was running on the notion of two americas, we have to do better, close the inequality gap. he was ahead of his time in that re...

Are there lessons we can learn from other countries like brazil to help close the inequality gap. joining me are heather mcghee and jared bernstein and former economic adviser to vice president joe biden. he's now a senior fellow at the center on budget and policy priorities. jared, i want to start with you. we talk about the potential negative consequences of inequality in the u.s., some of which i think are already manifest manifested. in brazil it's much clearer, though. how has really dramatic inequality undermined their social fabric and political institutions. >> well, the first word tha...

People from poor toward middle class. that's gate. i love it. but it doesn't speak to income inequality among the middle class if they aren't paying those people enough money and they aren't. also -- >> how do you know they're not? >> steve, you said it's obvious -- >> how do you know that. >> guys, let me finish. you said it's obvious all we have to do is lower taxes. raising taxes hasn't addressed this problem. i'll give you that but we have had tax cuts over these 50 years. >> but hold on there, steve forbes there is, better than any poll is what people do with their feet. they vote with th...