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We'll see. title 42 will be removed from the border in six weeks. why would that happen when you still have to wear a mask on a plane? >> you know, bill, i hope the cdc reconsiders this decision. a public health decision not a decision from washington politics. i instituted title 42 as a public health measure really to protect the health and well-being of the immigrants crossing the border that were being put in holding cells that really didn't have social distancing and the ventilation that we required at the time we didn't have vaccination. obviously it's a public health decision. i have a l...

Significant surge now largely because so many of the population was infected with omicron the first period of omicron. so we have a high level of immunity from infection plus vaccination. but i do think we'll be at significant risk in the fall. that's why for two reasons one is i think we'll see the transmission of omicron 2 go way down. remember, natural immunity only lasts 3 to 4 months from natural infection. secondly, people will be further away from their third injection or fourth injection. i do think we need to be prepared for potential significant surge in the fall. it will probably be...

Paxlovid we don't have in quantity. when you put those things together and the fact that diagnostic testing is still a debacle, you have a dangerous epidemic in this month of january. so a disappointing way to start the new year. we'll get through it, but it's not going to be so straightforward. >> now, another study found that immunity to omicron does wane off the vaccination, but it wanes even more for those who have, quote, natural immunity. so what does this mean in terms of herd immunity that many people had hoped that we would reach? >> well, you know, i'm cautiously optimistic, paula. i...