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Women, when he says that a capitol police officer, is a thug. i think that's been the most, probably the most disappointing thing to learn about the entire trump era, that's what republican voters want. >> to that end, jamele, i'm really struck at, obviously, the cruelty is somehow cathartic or enjoyable for crowds like this, for voters like this. they are a given, moments to fix themselves. to act like adults. to re-enter this society. those inflection points or when trump is revealed to be actually a loser, and maybe a criminal, and a sexual predator. and yet, none of it seems to stick. when...

Since, then he won in 2016 we'll allowing them to be their worst selves. they look back at that john mccain video, not with nostalgia, but say that's a loser. that's a losers mentality. so, because trump happened to win, and a very narrow election, losing the popular vote, that affirmed this idea that they can do that, that this politics is fun. it's a big game of apprentice. it's a catskill standup act, they can enjoy when it demeaned women, when he says that a capitol police officer, is a thug. i think that's been the most, probably the most disappointing thing to learn about the entire trum...

Capitol police officers -- i think that's probably one of the most disappointing things to learn in the trump era, that that's what republican voters want actually. >> to that end, you know, i'm just really struck obviously the cruelty is somehow cathartic or enjoyable for crowds like this. but they are given moments to fix themselves, to act like adults, to reenter this society. you know, those inflection points is when trump is revealed to be actually a loser and maybe a criminal and a sexual predatorch and yet none of it seems to stick. when i watched that event last -- go ahead. go ahead. ...

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You. what an extraordinary series of events that have pushed abortion and gun safety to the very top of the national attention span, if you will, to the national mead dwru and certainly our collective american imaginations do you think that governor lee's behavior in tennessee, that these moments could be inflection points for a republican party that has seemed so out of step with mainstream americans on those two issues? >> i doubt it. this is something that they have embraced in the base of their party. as you can see the rnc put out something after the dobbs decision saying keep going, go a...