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Such good access to borisjohnson. paul, you have explored this question. take us back to the beginning. in 2009, businessman and former kgb agent, alexander lebedev bought the paperfor £1. and then a year later they bought another one. tell us a little bit more about that. so we release the podcasts before the sunday times released their article. it was commissioned in december. back then we thought it was going to be a colourful profile of evgeny lebedev and his father and how they use the papers and how they use it to build friendships with celebrities. and politicians as well like borisjoh...

Then a year later they bought another one. tell us a little bit more about that. 50 another one. tell us a little bit more about that.— another one. tell us a little bit more about that. so we release the odcasts more about that. so we release the podcasts before _ more about that. so we release the podcasts before the _ more about that. so we release the podcasts before the sunday - more about that. so we release the podcasts before the sunday times | podcasts before the sunday times released _ podcasts before the sunday times released their article. it was commissioned in december. back th...

Tell us a little bit more about that. so we released the podcast before the sunday times released their article. it was commissioned in december. back then we thought it was going to be a colourful profile of evgeny lebedev and his father and how they use the papers to build friendships with celebrities. and politicians as well like borisjohnson. it was kind of an influence machine that they ran with these newspapers. but of course the reporting changed character in february when russia invaded ukraine. we started looking more closely at other aspects of this family. when it when it comes to t...

Almost like an influence machine that they ran from these newspapers and threw their parties. but of course, the reporting changed character in february when russia invaded ukraine. so we started looking more closely at other aspects of the lebedevs. ok, when it comes to the owning of the independent, evening standard, i mean, mr lebedev sr, alexander lebedev, already owned various bits of the media in russia, i think, as did some other oligarchs. is that more than just a business decision, and how did you read the way they then bought into the british media? sure. it is much more than a busin...

Means, i should say — seemed to have such good access to borisjohnson. paul caruana galizia, you've explored this question too for tortoise media. take us back to the beginning. i mean, in 2009, the russian businessman and former kgb agent alexander lebedev bought the london evening standard for £1. his son, evgeny, became the paper's publisher. a year later, they bought the independent also for £1. just tell us a bit about it all. so we released the podcast on the monday before the sunday times followed it up. and it was commissioned actually in december — and back then, we thought it w...