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Those of us in the public don't have access to all the information a president has. the real question is once a president declares a national emergency of which you said there have been many, many declared by presidents, i would say some in situations far less dire or urgent than this one, for example, like the expiration of export controls has been a national emergency, the real question is what powers should the president have? some are constitutional, defending the country, some are granted to him by congress. so i would say here this is not a question of the president and congress fighting...

He says. so the information that paul manafort got back to the russians, whether it was some convoluted route through ukraine and the oligarchs there, whether it was through mr. kilimnik, it all went back to an oligarch, probably deripaska. but most importantly it got back to putin, who then could use it as part of his influence operation. whether that's illegal, i'll dev defer to laura and others. but it's definitely a c.i. problem that needs to be looked into. there's all kinds of things the russians could have done with that campaign information. >> we talked to seven people who have either...

And the oligarchs there, whether it was through mr. kilimnik, it all went back to an oligarch, probably deripaska. but most importantly it got back to putin, who then could use it as part of his influence operation. whether that's illegal, i'll defer to laura and others. but it's definitely a c.i. problem that needs to be looked into. there's all kinds of things the russians could have done with that campaign information. >> we talked to seven people who have either worked on presidential campaigns or polling in general, and we got different answers about what sort of information a campaign mi...

Presidential pardon? >> yeah, i certainly think so. this whole thing is stupefying. those of us on the outside looking in, we thought that this group was going to come in and grain the swa drain the swamp. i think we see the glistening sheen of pond scum because they're duplicity and malfeasance coming at us left and right. to have this person essentially reporting back on what is taking place within the government, it signals something that's highly unethical. to your point, i think that is the ultimate goal. i talk to people in my former business who think all along the goal was for manafort...

Ship was in a certain place, how many troops a person was commanding. that's typically information a president might discuss in a private call with these leaders, not one carried live on television. certainly an interesting way for the president to thank the troops by bringing up political issues on that phone call on speaker with five different branches of the military, for everyone to hear, being broadcast live on television. jim. >> political issues and operational issues. i want to play, barbara starr, the president's interaction with one of those deployed officers where he brought up and ...